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What to do if HMRC say you owe PAYE

17 June 2014 By Gill

Had a letter from HMRC’s Debt Management division? Don’t blindly pay it.

letter from HMRC Debt Management

So far this week, 3 of our clients have called us about letters from HMRC telling them they owe £100s.

All complete nonsense.

And it’s only Tuesday <sigh>.

1. Check what you should have paid

Ask your payroll provider for a P32. This is simply a list of all the payments that you should have made to HMRC.

For example:

  Pay Period Amount Due to HMRC for Period
     Quarter 1 total295.92
     Quarter 2 total75.48
     Quarter 3 total112.29
     Quarter 4 total180.96
Year Total664.65

2. Check what you did pay

This means going through your bank statements and finding every payment to HMRC. Note how you paid it: online, cheque, debit card etc. Note down the date that the money left your account and the amount paid.

The total of all your payments should be the same as the Year Total on the P32.

If it’s not, then you either overpaid or underpaid somewhere along the line. Work out when and where.

3. What to look for

Page 2 of the letter is the statement of liabilities – pictured below. Look at the total unpaid amount. Sometimes it’s obvious that a payment has gone astray – if your cheque for £45.32 hasn’t cleared, and the statement says you owe £45.32, job done. Others take a bit of investigating.

Dates are key. I can’t stress that too highly.

Late payments cause the most common problem. When you pay late, HMRC will allocate the payment to the wrong period.

For example, look at the handwritten notes below. You can see that our client pays PAYE quarterly. So he made 4 payments, which each match the P32 above.

HMRC statement of liabilities

But now focus on when those payments were made. £180.96 was paid on 7 May. Not only was that late – it should have been paid by 19 April – but critically it was the last payment for the 2013/14 tax year.

Paying it late meant that HMRC automatically took it into the 2014/15 tax year.

4. Do your sums

To check your payments, first knock off any interest that HMRC have added, because the payments you are looking for obviously don’t include that.

So we’re actually looking for £256.61 minus 17p interest = £256.44

We’ve figured out from the payment dates that £180.96 must have been allocated to the new tax year. That leaves £75.48. Ring any bells?

Yep, it’s the payment made on 6 November.

5. Call HMRC

This is usually the painful bit, involving a good 20-minute wait to speak to someone. But funnily enough, when you ring Debt Management division, you often get through straight away.

The first thing they ask is, “Are you making a payment?”

This is where you laugh and say, “No, cos I don’t owe you anything.”

laughing cat

Filed Under: compliance

And… breathe!

21 April 2014 By Gill

It’s been tough. But we made it through.

  • There was blood – paper cuts hurt!
  • There was sweat.
  • There were no tears, just copious amounts of swearing when the government gateway threw a wobbly from 11-13 April.
  • There was much chasing of errant contractors, some of whom couldn’t get their head around the 19 April HMRC deadline.

But we got there. All returns submitted, new files created, CIS refunds applied for.

Job done for another year 🙂

 

Filed Under: general musings Tagged With: CIS refund, year end

RTI penalties and how to avoid them

30 November 2013 By Jane

"Submit RTI" written on Post-It noteWhether you run your own payroll or outsource it to a specialist, as an employer the buck stops with you. So it’s important to know your responsibilities.

Whenever you pay your staff, you must tell HMRC about the payments. This reporting is known as real-time information – RTI for short.

If you pay your employees weekly, you must report weekly; if you pay them monthly, send the RTI monthly, and so on.

Double jeopardy

Your payroll must be:

  1. correct, and
  2. submitted on time. Send the RTI on or before the day that you pay your staff. Don’t forget or it’ll cost you.

Second time unlucky

HMRC will let you off once every 12 months – so no worries the first time your RTI is late, but if you make a habit of it the penalties will soon rack up.

How will I know?

HMRC will send out penalty notices only once a quarter, in July, October, January and April.

So if you get a penalty notice in July it will be for a late submission in April, May and/or June. Maybe all 3!

How much?

Unlike CIS penalties (a flat £100 per month), the RTI submission fines depend on your number of employees. For 2014/15 tax year they are:

No. of employees

Monthly RTI penalty

1 to 9

£100

10 to 49

£200

50-249

£300

250 or more

£400

The good news is that you can’t get more than 1 submission penalty per month. E.g. if you send a weekly RTI late for 4 weeks, you’ll only get fined once.

Those are the penalties for late submission – but remember that as well as being on time, the RTI must also be correct.

For errors, the taxman will base the penalty on the amount of potential lost revenue. If you took reasonable care, or were careless but reported the error without being prompted, you might not be penalised at all.

Avoiding RTI penalties

Whether you run your own payroll or outsource it to a specialist, as an employer the buck stops with you. So:

  • Be accurate

Take time to check your figures before paying the wages.

If your payroll service submits the RTI on your behalf, let them know any changes asap; e.g. if anyone leaves or joins, or if you’re giving someone a pay rise.

  • Be on time

If you pay your staff every Friday, that’s your RTI deadline. Diarise it, put a reminder in your phone, stick a Post-it on your fridge, whatever works for you.

If you use a payroll service, give them your info in plenty of time.

Submission penalties come into force from October 2014, so get into good habits now!

 

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TOP TIP: Run your payroll a week in hand. This means that next Friday you’ll pay staff for the hours they worked this week.

This gives you more time to process the payroll and to send the RTI.[/color-box]

HMRC – late and inaccurate payroll reporting

Filed Under: compliance Tagged With: PAYE, penalties, RTI

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